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Bill Ashley
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 5:30 pm: | |
I thought I would start a new thread and read the other ones in this category after. Well I just bought a new HD it is a 80gb maxtor ultra ata 100 what I want to do is set up my old harddrive as a small storage drive it is a 20gb seagatedrive. I have a AMD600mhz k7board I beleive. I hooked up the drives using the cable the one that goes from the slot on the mother board to the master and slave drives. Atleast I think the cable is used for both(it can also be used for cdrom). Anyway after I hooked up the drives I booted it gave me an error so I restarted again and went into my bios. When I went into bios my drive read only as a 82 meg drive rather than a 81gb drive and wouldnt read my other drive. Well I ended up just formating my new drive and installing windows me onto the drive to test it since I couldnt set up the master/slave. So this is where I am althought my windows me is only reading the drive as 7.8 gb.. Im a little confused
anyone know whats going on other than me having no clue what Im doing. Any help is very much appreciated |
Bill Ashley
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 6:24 pm: | |
After reading a bit I decided it might help you to know how this drive(the new one) is running...
I/O Port 0xA000-0xA00F VIA Bus Master PCI IDE Controller
I/O Port 0xA000-0xA00F Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
IRQ 5 VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
IRQ 5 VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
IRQ 5 ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
I/O Port 0x03F6-0x03F6 VIA Bus Master PCI IDE Controller
I/O Port 0x03F6-0x03F6 Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
I/O Port 0x01F0-0x01F7 VIA Bus Master PCI IDE Controller
I/O Port 0x01F0-0x01F7 Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
IRQ 11 RAGE PRO TURBO AGP 2X
IRQ 11 Macronix MX98715 Family Fast Ethernet Adapter (ACPI)
IRQ 11 ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
I/O Port 0x9000-0x9FFF PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
I/O Port 0x9000-0x9FFF RAGE PRO TURBO AGP 2X
IRQ 14 VIA Bus Master PCI IDE Controller
IRQ 14 Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
IRQ 15 VIA Bus Master PCI IDE Controller
IRQ 15 Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)
Memory Address 0xD4000000-0xD6FFFFFF PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
Memory Address 0xD4000000-0xD6FFFFFF RAGE PRO TURBO AGP 2X
I/O Port 0x0376-0x0376 VIA Bus Master PCI IDE Controller
I/O Port 0x0376-0x0376 Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)
I/O Port 0x0170-0x0177 VIA Bus Master PCI IDE Controller
I/O Port 0x0170-0x0177 Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)
0x0000-0x000F Direct memory access controller OK
0x0010-0x001F Motherboard resources OK
0x0020-0x0021 Programmable interrupt controller OK
0x0022-0x003F Motherboard resources OK
0x0040-0x0043 System timer OK
0x0044-0x005F Motherboard resources OK
0x0060-0x0060 Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard OK
0x0061-0x0061 System speaker OK
0x0062-0x0063 Motherboard resources OK
0x0064-0x0064 Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard OK
0x0065-0x006F Motherboard resources OK
0x0070-0x0073 System CMOS/real time clock OK
0x0074-0x007F Motherboard resources OK
0x0080-0x0090 Direct memory access controller OK
0x0091-0x0093 Motherboard resources OK
0x0094-0x009F Direct memory access controller OK
0x00A0-0x00A1 Programmable interrupt controller OK
0x00A2-0x00BF Motherboard resources OK
0x00C0-0x00DF Direct memory access controller OK
0x00E0-0x00EF Motherboard resources OK
0x00F0-0x00FF Numeric data processor OK
0x0170-0x0177 VIA Bus Master PCI IDE Controller OK
0x0170-0x0177 Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) OK
0x01F0-0x01F7 VIA Bus Master PCI IDE Controller OK
0x01F0-0x01F7 Primary IDE controller (dual fifo) OK
0x02F8-0x02FF Communications Port (COM2) OK
0x0330-0x0331 MPU-401 Compatible MIDI Device OK
0x0376-0x0376 VIA Bus Master PCI IDE Controller OK
0x0376-0x0376 Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) OK
0x0378-0x037F Printer Port (LPT1) OK
0x03B0-0x03BB RAGE PRO TURBO AGP 2X OK
0x03C0-0x03DF RAGE PRO TURBO AGP 2X OK
0x03F0-0x03F5 Standard Floppy Disk Controller OK
0x03F6-0x03F6 VIA Bus Master PCI IDE Controller OK
0x03F6-0x03F6 Primary IDE controller (dual fifo) OK
0x03F7-0x03F7 Standard Floppy Disk Controller OK
0x03F8-0x03FF Communications Port (COM1) OK
0x04D0-0x04D1 Motherboard resources OK
0x0CF8-0x0CFF PCI bus OK
0x4000-0x407F PCI bus OK
0x4080-0x40FF PCI bus OK
0x5000-0x500F PCI bus OK
0x6000-0x607F PCI bus OK
0x9000-0x9FFF PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge OK
0x9000-0x9FFF RAGE PRO TURBO AGP 2X OK
0xA000-0xA00F VIA Bus Master PCI IDE Controller OK
0xA000-0xA00F Primary IDE controller (dual fifo) OK
0xA008-0xA00F Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) OK
0xA400-0xA41F VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller OK
0xA800-0xA81F VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller OK
0xAC00-0xACFF PCI Multimedia Audio Device OK
0xB000-0xB003 PCI Multimedia Audio Device OK
0xB400-0xB403 PCI Multimedia Audio Device OK
0xBC00-0xBC1F PCI Multimedia Audio Device OK
0xC000-0xC007 PCI Input Controller OK
0xC400-0xC4FF Macronix MX98715 Family Fast Ethernet Adapter (ACPI) OK
IRQ 0 System timer OK
IRQ 1 Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard OK
IRQ 2 Programmable interrupt controller OK
IRQ 3 Communications Port (COM2) OK
IRQ 4 Communications Port (COM1) OK
IRQ 5 VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller OK
IRQ 5 VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller OK
IRQ 5 ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering OK
IRQ 6 Standard Floppy Disk Controller OK
IRQ 7 Printer Port (LPT1) OK
IRQ 8 System CMOS/real time clock OK
IRQ 9 SCI IRQ used by ACPI bus OK
IRQ 10 ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering OK
IRQ 11 RAGE PRO TURBO AGP 2X OK
IRQ 11 Macronix MX98715 Family Fast Ethernet Adapter (ACPI) OK
IRQ 11 ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering OK
IRQ 12 ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering OK
IRQ 13 Numeric data processor OK
IRQ 14 VIA Bus Master PCI IDE Controller OK
IRQ 14 Primary IDE controller (dual fifo) OK
IRQ 15 VIA Bus Master PCI IDE Controller OK
IRQ 15 Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) OK
0xFFFF0000-0xFFFFFFFF System board extension for ACPI BIOS OK
0x0000-0x9FFFF System board extension for ACPI BIOS OK
0xFEE00000-0xFEE00FFF System board extension for ACPI BIOS OK
0xD0000000-0xD3FFFFFF PCI standard host CPU bridge OK
0xD4000000-0xD6FFFFFF PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge OK
0xD4000000-0xD6FFFFFF RAGE PRO TURBO AGP 2X OK
0xD6000000-0xD6000FFF RAGE PRO TURBO AGP 2X OK
0xD5000000-0xD501FFFF RAGE PRO TURBO AGP 2X OK
0xD8001000-0xD80010FF PCI Communication Device OK
0xD8000000-0xD80000FF Macronix MX98715 Family Fast Ethernet Adapter (ACPI) OK
0xA0000-0xAFFFF RAGE PRO TURBO AGP 2X OK
0xB0000-0xBFFFF RAGE PRO TURBO AGP 2X OK
0xC0000-0xC7FFF RAGE PRO TURBO AGP 2X OK
0xF0000-0xF3FFF System board extension for ACPI BIOS OK
0xF4000-0xF7FFF System board extension for ACPI BIOS OK
0xF8000-0xFBFFF System board extension for ACPI BIOS OK
0xFC000-0xFFFFF System board extension for ACPI BIOS OK
0x100000-0x3FEFFFF System board extension for ACPI BIOS OK
0x3FF0000-0x3FFFFFF System board extension for ACPI BIOS OK
Drive A:
Description 3 1/2 Inch Floppy Drive
Drive C:
Description Local Fixed Disk
Compressed No
Size 7.83 GB (8,406,200,320 bytes)
Free Space 7.26 GB (7,795,347,456 bytes)
Drive D:
Description CD-ROM Disc
Description GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE46
Manufacturer (Standard disk drives)
Model IDE DISK TYPE46
Media Loaded Yes
Media Type Fixed hard disk media
Partitions 1
Size 0 bytes
Partition Disk #0, Partition #0
Partition Size 7.84 GB (8,422,654,464 bytes)
Name VIA Bus Master PCI IDE Controller
Manufacturer VIA Tech
Status OK
PNP Device ID PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_0571&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_10\BUS_00&DEV_07&FUNC_01
I/O Port 0x01F0-0x01F7
I/O Port 0x03F6-0x03F6
IRQ Channel IRQ 14
I/O Port 0x0170-0x0177
I/O Port 0x0376-0x0376
IRQ Channel IRQ 15
I/O Port 0xA000-0xA00F
Driver c:\windows\system\vmm32.vxd (, 1,008.75 KB (1,032,956 bytes), Not Available)
Name Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
Manufacturer (Standard hard disk drivers)
Status OK
PNP Device ID MF\CHILD0000\PCI&VEN_1106&DEV_0571&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_10&BUS_00&DEV_07&FUNC_01
I/O Port 0x01F0-0x01F7
I/O Port 0x03F6-0x03F6
IRQ Channel IRQ 14
I/O Port 0xA000-0xA00F
Driver c:\windows\system\vmm32.vxd (, 1,008.75 KB (1,032,956 bytes), Not Available)
Name Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)
Manufacturer (Standard hard disk drivers)
Status OK
PNP Device ID MF\CHILD0001\PCI&VEN_1106&DEV_0571&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_10&BUS_00&DEV_07&FUNC_01
I/O Port 0x0170-0x0177
I/O Port 0x0376-0x0376
IRQ Channel IRQ 15
I/O Port 0xA008-0xA00F
Driver c:\windows\system\vmm32.vxd (, 1,008.75 KB (1,032,956 bytes), Not Available)
atmarpc ATM ARP Module \systemroot\system\atmarpc.sys Kernel Driver Not Available Manual Not Available Not Available Normal Not Available Not Available
redbook redbook \systemroot\system32\drivers\redbook.sys Kernel Driver Not Available Manual Not Available Not Available Normal Not Available Not Available
rt rt \systemroot\system32\drivers\rt.sys Kernel Driver Not Available System Not Available Not Available Normal Not Available Not Available
sbemul sbemul \systemroot\system32\drivers\sbemul.sys Kernel Driver Not Available Manual Not Available Not Available Normal Not Available Not Available
wdmaud wdmaud \systemroot\system32\drivers\wdmaud.sys Kernel Driver Not Available Manual Not Available Not Available Normal Not Available Not Available
wdmfs WDM Windows File System Mapper \systemroot\system32\drivers\wdmfs.sys Kernel Driver Not Available System Not Available Not Available Normal Not Available Not Available |
Matt Weston (Matt12330)
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 6:25 pm: | |
When you originally configured the drives, did you set one as a master and one as a slave using the jumpers on the HD? It sounds to me like they might be conflicting with each other. I am assuming that both drives are on the same IDE (ribbon) cable.
On one end of the Hard Drive (where you plug the IDE cable and the power cable) there should be a double row of pins. There may or may not be a jumper (shunt) on a pair of these pins. Usually, on the case of the drive itself will be a diagram of how to set the jumpers to set up the Master/Slave settings. Set your Maxtor drive as Master and the Seagate as Slave according to these diagrams. (Don't assume that the settings on one drive are the same for the other, though.)
If your system is fairly new, setting the BIOS for "Auto-detect HDD" should identify the drives properly.
Next, partition and format the drives.
If you have already installed Windows on one of the drives, we have a problem. The easiest way to set up partitions on a harddrive is with a program called F-Disk. The problem is - using it destroys any data on the drive. If you want to spend the money, there are partitioning programs for sale, but they can be expensive(ie. Partition Magic).
My best advice would be to get your harddrives set up properly and do a clean install of ME (if that is what you have). As it is now, you are missing nearly 70 gigabytes of storage space on the Maxtor. (If you don't want it, I'll trade you a 10 gig drive for your 80 !!);)
I hope this helps. If you have any questions - Post back or e-mail me. There are a lot of people on this board anxious to help. |
Bill Ashley
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 6:28 pm: | |
I am wondering why the drive is being read as less than 8 gigs when I bought a eighty (80)gb, it says 80 gb on the frontlable, I bought it new but I only got the staticwrap and the hd with it the static wrap was open when I got it |
Bill Ashley
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 6:37 pm: | |
When I went into bios with both drives hooked up it wouldnt read either of them on auto detect.. however individually when I used just one drive at a time the auto detect recognized the drive. Otherwise it just said 84mb the bios wouldnt even detect a slave drive. I run pheonix award 6 bios. I connected the drives in both ways one time as the maxtor as master on the ide cable and one time I had the seagate on the end. I CANNOT format the seagate 20gb since a year of my life is on that drive... it is partitioned with partionmagic with I do not have the disk of since a friend gave his copy to me but since then I have given it back to him. Any ideas at all at what I did wrong in bios... I was in bios setup I went into the first choice of configuration and tried to change the harddrive master slave setups.. it only detects an 84mb hd? doesnt make sense. |
Matt Weston (Matt12330)
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 8:36 pm: | |
What is the model number of the HD?
I used to buy drives at the local computer shows, but I learned the hard way that not every vendor is honest. I bought a "new" WD drive once - packaged in the anti-static bag, but no box. I got it home, and discovered an copy of Windows 3.1 on it.
Not to imply that your seller is dishonest, but you might want to check it out.
Also, if it really is an 80 GB drive - you might run some diagnostics on it. You should be able to download the programs to do so from Maxtors web site - http://www.maxtor.com/Maxtorhome.htm |
Bill Ashley
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 9:04 pm: | |
hmm, well I got around halfway down this forum list and read quite a few of the links for various reasons... I think what I understand is that I need to fdisk my new drive since the lba only allows up to a maximun of 8gb which is why my 80gb drive is only being read as 8gb. The problem I face for setting up both drives is that since both of them have already been allocated drives and that dos/windows automatically assigns c:/ as boot drive and I have windows me installed on both machines(both having c drive assigned) there is a conflict in the boot structure... which I think might be the reason why bios is having a problem reading them when they are both hooked up... no Idea why it lists a virtual drive of 84mb though? I cannot erase the data and I bought the hd with the last of my money rather than a burner and 100 or 200 cds... I thought it would save me time from burning but yah ... This is that stupid goat lion hay and a rowboat all over again. How do I keep all the data make my new drive my boot drive .... my seagate is already partitioned with partition magic c being 7gigs or so and de being 10 gigs or so so .... is there anyway I can change the drive letters while running the hd... like say making my c:/ drive on my seagate into x:/ so that I can reboot and go into bios maybe Im missing anything anyone that has a prod it would be more than appreciated. its getting late but this gotto be done. |
Bill Ashley
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 9:11 pm: | |
I have trust in my dealer I just not sure why the packaging was opened... on a side note do they regularly come in a box and if so what is contained... also anyone have any idea how much an ida cable oost cause with both drives hooked up I cant hook up my cdrom. Once I get this sorted out I plan on registering to maxtor. The drive is running right now so I cant check the model number but it is the maxtor 81gb 5600 rpm I think its the x560 or something like that ? |
E.S.
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 10:34 pm: | |
In order for a fix to occur with Partition magic used on the boot drive, Partition magic will have to be used to unpartition it if memory serves. The only other option you have is to GHOST both partitions of your boot drive to the 81GB drive to save your data. I have Norton GHOST Version 51C that works well in DOS and can handle up to 100GIG Partitions so your 20 GIG won't be a problem moving it over to the Maxtor. Email is ericsnet@juno.com if you want it I can ZIP it up and send it your way. The only thing I can't do is give you instructions with it as it is an OEM version and didn't come with any. |
Bill Ashley
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 9:02 am: | |
The drives will not read if they are both hooked up can this still be done... so would I use norton ghost on my old drive reboot with both drives hooked up... then I could transfer the data from by olddisk drives c: and d: as it was partitioned... which would then allow me to reformat my old drive since the data would be saved... is this what you have in mind... I think I am going to hold off doing anything with the way my old seagate reads since I can't risk data loss on it... |
E.S.
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 9:27 am: | |
No, the drives have to be configured properly for ghost to work. |
Bill Ashley
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 11:35 am: | |
so I need to cofigure them in bios befor I ghost? both of are functional on their own but when both hooked up to the same ide cable they are not read on boot up and I get a boot error and asks for a system disk.. when I use my windows me system disk to boot it goes to a: at this point I cannot read any of my hardrives... if I try to go into bios befor this boot error occurs during the boot phase of startup The bios settings change(I beleive on startup the ide automatically configures to the drive type) these settings change to 84mb for my primary master... no other drives can be read on auto detect for either primary master or slave.... After I finish the last of the threads in this forum I plan on trying it again since I have now erased my partitions through fdisk on my new drive the primary dos and so on... so I am hoping that since the drive does not have a letter asigned to it it will not be read in windows/dos c:/ boot procedure.. if a conflict does not occur I will try to drop into dos mode(requires restart in me) and try to fdisk the new drive while the old drive is working.... any errors in this thought or any comments once again appreciated. |
Bill Ashley
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 1:31 pm: | |
no go. bios just doesn't read either of them if they are both hooked up on the same ide line. I think Ive tried pretty much everything I can think of... on the plus side two unused hardware devices were discovered... a infared serial communications port and a second sound system which I already had the two cards enabled so I dont know why the via card found another one? lets hope I haven't screwed up my bios two much... I know both drives work but not together on the same ide so I will probably end up waiting until I have enough money for another ide cable... btw does anyone know how much one costs ... I'll look around but thought I might try to save some time... oh.. also I dont know what Ive done but now my 20gig drive is reading as a 80 gig drive during setup... probably cause I swithc drives with manual bios detection but it still starts up and runs ok actually everything seems to be running better.. no clue ... also will I have to do a low level format to erase the drive letter reading... I did have one improvement over the last time I tried this time in bios I was able to have both drives connected and to read one of them.. that being the 80 gig but it wouldn't acknowledge the second drive... I'm thinking maybe I should have gotten the burner instead... |
E.S.
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 2:45 pm: | |
A good ATA IDE cable will run you anywhere from 10 to 20 bucks, rounded are 15 to 30. |
Bill Ashley
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 7:22 pm: | |
Thanks and apologies for my bad use of punctuation. |
Matt Weston (Matt12330)
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 7:48 pm: | |
As far as your BIOS reading the 20 as an 80 gig, try changing the HD setting back to AUTO DETECT.
Another option is to reset the CMOS to its default settings, and let it do its thing. I don't know what board you have, but most have a jumper setting to reset CMOS defaults. Just be sure to disconnect the power when you do this - otherwise it may not reset. Set the jumpers to the reset position, get a cup of coffee or something for a few minutes, and then put the jumper back to the normal position. Don't let the system boot until you have checked the settings - Windows may not like some of the changes.
Also.... write down the BIOS settings before you reset them. Most people (myself included) don't know what some of the settings are for. If there are other problems, you can at least set them back to where they are now.
I have a Norton Ghost 2002 PDF file that I can e-mail to you. If you want it let me know.
(mbweston@mindspring.com) Ghost is a great program, but the DOS interface is difficult for some users to grasp. |
E.S.
| | Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2002 - 8:56 am: | |
Hi Bill, I just did a little more research on your problem and this is what I found:
On IDE, the controller unit of the channel is in the Master drive. Meaning that the Master must be capable of handling the Slave's command set and capacity - and this is likely to go wrong when the Master is substantially older than the Slave.
So indeed you should be looking at putting it as a master on the secondary IDE. |
E.S.
| | Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2002 - 8:59 am: | |
When that is done you can Ghost the 20 to the 80 and switch them around. |
cyman
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2002 - 6:56 pm: | |
I did not have time to read all the posts, but I must let you know: All bioses have pre-set limits on hard drive space. you can get software from Maxtor (free download) that will let the system use the full capacity. |
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